The Animal Wellness Podcast

Wolves, Dogs, and a Man Who Knows Them Both | Episode 73

Oliver Starr came to our attention when he spoke in an Animal Wellness Action webinar about wolves and stole the show—and the hearts of attendees—by taking his camera out among the small pack of wolves at Tahoe Wolf Center, where he is executive director. His passion and his endearing bond with the animals made us want to learn more.
Starr also is the author of a new book, “The Wolf Lover’s Guide to Raising Dogs,” which explores the powerful link between domestic dogs and their wild ancestors. It offers practical advice for building a joyful, respectful relationship with your dog, enriching both your lives. He discusses some of those lessons—and a thing or two humans can learn about humans, too—in this exclusive interview.
 
MORE ON THE SUBJECT
To purchase Oliver Starr’s book, “The Wolf Lover’s Guide to Raising Dogs,” go here.
To watch the podcast excerpt featuring Oliver Starr with his wolves, go here.
To watch the webinar in its entirety and learn about the importance of the new Snowmobiles Aren’t Weapons (SAW) Act, go here.
To let your elected officials in Washington know you support the SAW Act, which would criminalize the malicious use of snowmobiles and other vehicles to torment, wound, and kill wild animals, go here.
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Bird Flu, Cockfighting, and a Crisis on the Horizon | Episode 72

The only thing we learn from history is that we don’t learn anything from history. That was the summary comment of host Joseph Grove in a conversation about the federal government’s lackadaisical response to the emergent bird flu crisis.
The podcast was recorded shortly after the virus claimed its first U.S. human fatality, a man in Louisiana. Grove was joined by Dr. Jim Keen and Dr. Tom Pool. They reviewed the progress of the disease in the United States, its spread from birds to cattle and humans, and the possibility—perhaps even the likelihood—that a virulent form will soon emerge that enables fast transmission among people. If that happens, the experts said, the COVID pandemic in retrospect may look mild by comparison.
Drs. Keen and Pool also talked about the importance of passing the FIGHT Act, legislation to be reintroduced in the new Congress that would help eradicate cockfighting in the United States. Cockfighting entails poor standards of bird handling and the movement of potentially infected birds across the country and the world, all in addition to the “sports” inherent animal cruelty and appurtenant crimes of drugs, illegal weapons, illicit gambling, and even human trafficking.
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To support the FIGHT Act, use this simple online tool to show your support to your elected officials in Washington.
To read the Vanity Fair article referenced by Dr. Pool, go here (subscription may be required).
To read Dr. Keen’s scientific look at the dangers and transmissibility of bird flu and its connection to cockfighting, go here.
 
The Animal Wellness podcast is produced by Animal Wellness Action and the Center for a Humane Economy. It focuses on improving the lives of animals in the United States and abroad through legislation and by influencing businesses to create a more humane economy. The show is hosted by veteran journalist and animal-advocate Joseph Grove. 
 
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Our Annual Review and Look Ahead for Animals | Episode 71

Wayne Pacelle again joins the show as he and host Joseph Grove recount the accomplishments of the past year and how Animal Wellness Action and sister organization Center for a Humane Economy have set things for a successful 2025. Along the way, they discuss the differences among distinct victories, protecting them and ensuring they fulfill their promise for relief for animals, and long-term work that may take years to pay off.
You can read Wayne’s 2024 year-end column by going here.
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How Did the Animals Fare? A 2024 Election Recap | Episode 70

Animal Wellness Action this year intensified its efforts to help elect candidates who vote with animals in mind and to defeat incumbents who don’t. In 2024, the Washington D.C.-based group invested heavily in nine races across the country and prevailed in seven of them.
Wayne Pacelle, president of Animal Wellness Action, recounts the victories in our latest podcast. Joined by host Joseph Grove, he breaks down the races, why they were important for animal welfare, and what the victories mean against the larger political landscape.
Pacelle also reviews the outgoing Biden administration on animal issues and shares his expectations from appointees to the next Trump administration.
The Animal Wellness podcast is sponsored by Animal Wellness Action and the Center for a Humane Economy. It focuses on improving the lives of animals in the United States and abroad through legislation and by influencing businesses to create a more humane economy. The show is hosted by veteran journalist and animal-advocate Joseph Grove. 
 
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Dan Ashe Debunks Prop 127 Opponents | Episode 69

The Proposition 127 ballot initiative in Colorado has garnered national attention even as the presidential election and other national races dominate the headlines. The initiative, launched and supported by the Cats Aren’t Trophies campaign, seeks to modify state law by criminalizing, according to the ballot language, “the intentional killing, wounding, pursuing, entrapping, or discharging or releasing of a deadly weapon at a mountain lion, lynx, or bobcat.”
In this episode of the Animal Wellness Podcast, host Joseph Grove talks with Dan Ashe, the former director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and head of its National Wildlife Refuge System, the top wildlife management agency in the United States. Ashe is a vocal supporter of the Yes on Proposition 127 movement, which some consider ironic given that Ashe is a well-known hunter and proponent of hunting.
Ashe tells Grove that Proposition 127 is actually a pro-hunting initiative, given the self-regulating nature of the big cats and their propensity to cleanse deer and elk herds of animals carrying the devastating Chronic Wasting Disease. Further, Ashe says, the methods of trophy hunting–using packs of dogs with high-tech equipment so “hunters” can simply shoot the cats out of a tree–is wholly at odds with traditional “fair chase” principles associated with true hunting.
The two discuss the ethics, science, and biology supporting Proposition 127, with Ashe summarizing by saying “trophy hunting isn’t hunting. It’s killing.”
Dan Ashe's pro-Prop 127 ad can be viewed here.
 
Ryan Luterman-Sevel produced the episode.

YES on Proposition 127 | Episode 68

The episode comes from a webinar hosted by Animal Wellness Action and the Center for a Humane Economy relative to the Yes on Prop 127 | Cats Aren’t Trophies ballot initiative in Colorado.
The two groups are members of a broad coalition supporting the initiative, which would make illegal the cruel, inhumane, and unsporting practice of trophy-hunting mountain lions in the state. The practice is egregious because it uses packs of dogs equipped with telemetry devices to chase the cats up trees, where they remain terrified and unable to escape until a “hunter” shoots them down just to mount them as trophies.
Hosted by Joseph Grove from the Animal Wellness Podcast, the event featured several guests. Wayne Pacelle is the founder and president of Animal Wellness Action and the Center for a Humane Economy. The Non-Profit Times has named him seven times as one of the nation’s top 50 non-profit executives, and he is the author of two NYT bestselling books about animals and animal welfare. Wayne has led efforts to pass 1,500 state laws for animals, more than 100 federal laws and amendments, 30 ballot initiatives, and 500 corporate agreements.
Samantha Miller leads our Yes on 127/Cats Aren’t Trophies campaign and is Colorado state director for Animal Wellness Action. Her previous roles include Government Affairs Specialist for Miller Public Policy; Executive Director for Washington Wildlife First, and Wildlife Coexistence Campaigner for WildEarth Guardians.
Dr. Jim Keen is the head of veterinary sciences for the Center for a Humane Economy. He worked as a veterinary infectious disease and public health researcher at the USDA in Nebraska and at the University of Nebraska for more than 30 years. Over the past decade has intensified his work as a proponent of sustainable agriculture and an advocate against livestock abuse. His current interests include working towards more animal-friendly agricultural-food systems and improving the welfare of industrial factory-farmed livestock and of animals used in biomedical or agricultural research.
The group discussed the necessity of making the change to Colorado law, the broad support behind the initiative, and the role of mountain lions as part of a stable ecosystem and as important checks against the spread of Chronic Wasting Disease.

Meet the Rescuers | Episode 67

Many of our shows deal with complex legislative and veterinary issues, so every once in a while we like to meet up with people on the ground, deep in day-to-day work with animals. This is one of those episodes. In it, we talk to:
 
Paul Collins, the Wisconsin state director for Animal Wellness Action. In his free time, he volunteers at a local rescue sanctuary, where he has befriended emus and become a master of cleaning goat stalls.
 
Alecia Torres, the operations director at Heartland Farm Sanctuary in Wisconsin. Heartland provides specialized care to rescued farm animals, offers empathy-based humane education programs and provides experiential therapy for young people in partnership with our animals to create a mutually supportive space for healing.
 
Robin Herman, the head of Lucky Dog Retreat Rescue, a non-profit offshoot of a dog daycare she once owned and operated. Robin, through Lucky Dog and her own, private work, has rescued almost 1,400 dogs and placed them in new, loving homes. She tells us about her upcoming Parvo Prevention Project in Indianapolis, where she and other volunteers will try to vaccinate up to 500 or more dogs against the deadly virus.
 
The message is the same: We rescue animals, but at the same time, they rescue us.
RELATED LINKS
Heartland Farm Sanctuary
Lucky Dog Retreat Rescue
 
The Animal Wellness podcast is produced by Animal Wellness Action and the Center for a Humane Economy. It focuses on improving the lives of animals in the United States and abroad through legislation and by influencing businesses to create a more humane economy. The show is hosted by veteran journalist and animal-advocate Joseph Grove. 
 
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Our Top Wins for 2023 and Goals for 2024 | Episode 66

The past year was busy on the animal-wellness front. Not only did Animal Wellness Action and the Center for a Humane Economy see some major wins outside of Congress, we worked to set up major legislative victories for when the 118th Congress returns for its second and final year.
In this podcast, Wayne Pacelle, president of the groups, and Jennifer Skiff, director of international, review those wins and set the stage for 2024. Victories include:
The Supreme Court’s upholding California’s Prop 12 and affirming the state’s right to exclude from its markets products from animals kept in extreme confinement.
The persuasion of Nike, Puma, and New Balance to stop sourcing products from hunted kangaroos.
Developing opposition to the EATS Act, a sinister bill that would undo the ability of states to enact animal-welfare protocols that may impact other states.
The inclusion of animal-welfare standards into the requirements products must satisfy in order to be labeled “organic”—a legally binding designation putting first-ever farm animal welfare rules into federal law.
RELATED LINKS
Wayne Pacelle’s blog on our Top 2023 Accomplishments.
Our dedicated Kangaroos Are Not Shoes website.
Scenes from our Global Day of Protest against Adidas.
Scenes from our latest protest in the Don’t Be a Dick’s Campaign.
The Animal Wellness podcast is produced by Animal Wellness Action and the Center for a Humane Economy. It focuses on improving the lives of animals in the United States and abroad through legislation and by influencing businesses to create a more humane economy. The show is hosted by veteran journalist and animal-advocate Joseph Grove. 
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